Saturday, October 1, 2011

Does Christian theology have a stance on the possibility of alien existence?

The other day a christian friend indicated that aliens are not part of God's plan for the universe. I am a non-fundamental christian and I also believe that their are countless alien races and some of them are here or have been here. Why would christianity dispute that?|||The Bible authors and church fathers had no conception of other planets or understanding of astronomy. The question could not have come up, because as far as anyone knew, there were no other worlds to ask about.|||There is actually no such thing as "christian theology" as a united agreement among all the churches. Every denomination has its own "theology". Some accept the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe, some do not. Like everything about "god", since all "gods" are man-made, it is a fact that the man-made churches all have to have their own interpretation of what "god" says. This is true in all religions, whether Abrahamic or not. Also true in philosophies, there are many sects in Buddhism, for example.


So, like everything else in "christianity", find a sect that agrees with your opinion and join it.|||All the existing evidence indicates there are no other life forms except those on Earth. You may believe as you desire. God's rule has been decided by humans. Humans writing the testaments had not a clue of the world beyond. If you or anyone have absolute proof of extraterrestrial life and visitation on Earth, you should submitted such to the Vatican and or other places known to be the power central of religion.|||The existence of life on other planets in the universe would rip apart christian theology. The bible teaches that Jesus' sacrifice of the cross was efficacious because he was like humans in every way, only perfect. It had to be a perfect human that died to take away the sins of other humans. If there is life on other planets, did Jesus go to those planets in the form of life there? Or were those creatures sinless? And are all of the biblical laws and commandments binding on these other creatures, or just humans? Do they have a different bible? No bible?|||VATICAN CITY, NOV. 10, 2009 (Zenit.org).- Both scientists and believers posit that life is a "special outcome" in a "vast and mostly inhospitable universe," and to study this common understanding, the Vatican brought together an interdisciplinary group of scholars to work on and study astrobiology.





The conclusions of the five-day work-study were presented today by a Jesuit priest and leading professors from Italy, France and the United States. (not the Pope)





"Astrobiology is the study of life's relationship to the rest of the cosmos," one of the professors explained. "Its major themes include the origin of life and its precursor materials, the evolution of life on earth, and its future prospects on and off the earth."





The Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Vatican Observatory hosted the study days. (not the Pope) Presenting the conclusions today were Jesuit Father Jos茅 Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory; Jonathan Lunine, professor at the department of physics in Rome's Tor Vergata University; Chris Impey, professor at the department of astronomy in the University of Arizona and the Steward Observatory, Tucson; and Athena Coustenis, professor at the "Observatoire de Paris-Meudon," in France. (not the Pope)





Father Funes explained that the Vatican is involved in astrobiology because, although it is "an emerging field and still a developing subject, the questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere in the universe are very interesting and deserve serious consideration. These questions offer many philosophical and theological implications."





Hub of scholars





Lunine said the study days provided a "special opportunity" since it was interdisciplinary and gave scientists the chance "to spend an intensive week understanding how the work in their particular specialty might have an impact on, or be impacted by, that in other areas."





"Nowhere is this more evident than in the work being done on how life formed on the earth and evolved with the changing environment," he observed. "It is becoming clear that Earth鈥檚 climate has not been particularly stable over time, and major environmental crises have occurred that are documented in the geologic record.





"How life has responded to this, and what the implications might be for Earth-like planets around other stars with somewhat different histories, cuts across all the disciplines of astrobiology from astronomy, to planetary and geological sciences, to biology."





Self-image





Impey spoke of the possibilities of life outside of Earth.





"In the past 15 years, technological breakthroughs have led to the discovery of over 400 planets beyond the solar system," he explained, noting that the smallest of these is "not much more massive than the Earth."





"Meanwhile," the Arizona-based professor continued, "lab experiments have made progress in tracing the processes by which simple chemical ingredients might have evolved into cells about four billion years ago, and scientists have discovered life in surprisingly diverse, inhospitable environments on the Earth. It is plausibly estimated that there are hundreds of millions of habitable locations in the Milky Way, which is just one of billions of galaxies in the universe."





"We still only know of one planet with life: our own. But there is a palpable expectation that the universe harbors life and there is hope that the first discovery is only a few years away," the scholar suggested."





Impey acknowledged that making contact with an intelligent species in space would have profound implications for our self-image.





"It is appropriate that a meeting on this frontier topic is hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences," he stated. "The motivations and methodologies might differ, but both science and religion posit life as a special outcome of a vast and mostly inhospitable universe. There is a rich middle ground for dialogue between the practitioners of astrobiology and those who seek to understand the meaning of our existence in a biological universe."





THIS WAS A WORKSHOP FOR SCIENTISTS, NOT AN INFALLIBLY DECLARED ENCYCLICAL|||Well, biblically speaking there is no mention of any parellels to earth or other planets in creation that have intelligent life. Secondly, if Jesus is the one true son of God, then how are these other intelligent beings supposed to have learned about Him and be saved if they are on another planet millions of light years away? Those are really more philosophical arguments.





I have to say the best evidence against alien life is scientific. First off, it has been proven the universe is not infinite (neither in space or age). Recent science has discovered over 40 parameters that are required to be simutaneously in place in order for life to exist anywhere in the universe. When you multiply all of these parameters out, you realize that life is quite rare indeed, despite the trillions of stars available to pick from. I'll list the parameters along the left and their probability of falling in the required range for life to the right.





type of galaxy .1


star location .2


number of stars in system .2


star birth date .2


star age .4


star mass .001


star luminosity relative to speciation .0001


star color .4


supernovae rates and locations .01


white dwarf binary types, rates, locations .01


planetary distance from star .001


inclination of planetary orbit .8


axis tilt .3


rotation period .1


rate of change in rotation period .05


orbit eccentricity .3


surface gravity (escape velocity) .001


tidal force .1


magnetic field .01


albedo .1


density .1


thickness of crust .01


oceans to continents ratio .2


rate of change in oceans to continents ratio .1


global distribution of continents .3


asteroidal and cometary collision rate .1


rate of change in ast. and comet collision rate .1


position and mass of Jupiter relative to Earth .01


eccentricity and regularity of Jupiter and Saturn's orbits .05


atmospheric transparency .01


atmospheric pressure .1


atmospheric electric discharge rate .1


atmospheric temperature gradient .01


carbon dioxide level in atmosphere .01


oxygen quantity in atmosphere .01


ozone quantity and location in atmosphere .01


water vapor level in atmosphere .01


oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere .1


quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere .01


soil mineralization .1


seismic activity .1


dependency factors 1,000,000,000.


longevity requirements .0001





Probabilty for occurrence of all forty-one paraments = 10^-53


Maximum possible number of planets in universe = 10^22





So there you have it. As you can see, the probability of all these factors occuring in the same place is ludicrous. I think they've discovered less than 500 planets in truth.





Suppose there was another special creation, which I'm guessing is where you might be thinking these aliens came from. Then you have the distance problem. Our galaxy is 100,000 light years across. If you suppose the luck that aliens exist in our own home galaxy (right in our backyard galactically speaking) It would still tak|||Oops I guess the gods aren't powerful enough to know about things like Microbes, Dinosaurs and far off galazys (and all the life forms they might have).





Also..


Think of it this way, if you were watching Earth from some other galaxy, then that makes us the Aliens.|||This website answers all questions you could have about the Christian faith. I found the question about aliens for you. I'll let you read it for yourself. http://www.gotquestions.org/aliens-UFOs.鈥?/a>|||If a Christian accepts the fact that with God, all things are possible, then the possibility of other life is not difficult to accept. Pax Christi|||I cannot rule out the possibility of life on other planets completely. We simply do not know enough to do this.|||The Pope has already said that aliens are part of God's creatures just like us.|||there are many references to aliens and UFO`s in the bible

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